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Valentine's Dinner Date Etiquette

Posted Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 12:09 pm PST
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While food is an important part of any dinner date, there's still the whole date part to consider. With Valentine's Day quickly approaching, I asked relationship experts--and davidburke & donatella regulars--Kristina Grish and Scott Mebus to offer some advice on dating etiquette. The recently married pair compiled a he said/she said list for each gender that will impress a first date or long-time flame.

Ladies:

1. Don't ever order the most expensive thing on the menu. It may seem like the perfect time to see how lobster and steak taste together, but guys don't like to think they're being taken advantage of.

2. Please have a glass of wine or cocktail at dinner (or two, if you're saucy), but try to avoid the Maui Sunrise with the jumbo straw and glass the size of your head. A mildly tipsy woman is fun; a roaring drunk woman is one car ride away from being dropped off on her front lawn.

3. Please order a dessert, either to share or for yourself. Guys care a lot less about your whole calorie regimen than you think we do, plus we also like more time to talk, which a nice leisurely dessert pleasantly provides.

4. Don't mention ex-boyfriends. Not even if he was the lead singer of Pavement. We just don't want to know.

5. Feel free to ask to sample your date's dinner, just let him parcel out the portion. No guy likes to watch his steak disappear before his very eyes while he can do nothing about it.

6. Don't go overboard on your make-up, even if you have a blemish. A small, hardly noticeable spot on your chin is infinitely preferable to the kabuki mask you slather on in your efforts to hide that you are in fact a human being.

7. A great date involves balance in the conversation: don't talk too much or too little about yourself. Going overboard in either direction can paint you as too self-involved or too self-protective.

8. If he dressed nice (and here's hoping he did), let him know. Guys like a little ego boost now and again too.

9. Don't be afraid to laugh like an idiot. Decorum is for lunch with clients, not dinner with the boy you like.

10. Even if you asked him out, give him a chance to pick up the tab (even if you end up treating or splitting). I know we live in a world of equality and all, but some things make a guy feel good and picking up dinner is often one of them.

Men:

1. If you're choosing the restaurant, run it past three platonic girlfriends. You might love the local trattoria for its friendly waiters and free Limoncello, but it's the ladies who remember bad lighting, dingy bathrooms and day-old fruit garnishes.

2. Pick a date up for dinner, even if she lives next door; and if you're having drinks after work, swing by the office. Meeting at the restaurant simply reads as half-hearted. Women appreciate men who put their needs first, if just for the night.

3. For the love of button downs, don't you dare tuck in your shirt! Unless you're dining at the country club or a jacket-required establishment, you'll risk looking like your father en route to the 18th hole (and there's nothing hot about that).

4. Pay your date a very specific compliment that shows you're paying attention. Nice eyes? She's heard it. Cute dimples? Much better.

5. When looking over the menu, ask if she's a sharer. If she loves variety, suggest small dishes to split-or swap plates halfway through the meal if you feel at ease.

6. Save the "Notice me!" soliloquy for Mom and Dad-that is, until your date asks about you. Because she will, if you let her steer the chit-chat. One man's self-involved boast is another's self-aware banter. It just depends who's inquiring.

7. Slide one sensitive topic about yourself into conversation and ask your date's opinion about it. This moment will be more memorable than the pricey dim sum or your canned jokes, since it's laced with trust, sincerity and vulnerability.

8. Keep PDA on the DL. A hand on the leg is too forward for a first date, but snuggling close in the corner banquet, with a kiss on the forehead, is just right.

9. Suggest a decadent dessert, even if she hesitates or says she's full. Every woman wants to secretly sample the chocolate mousse torte, though society prefers she order sherbet. Lift the burden, and try not to stare when she eats more than half.

10. Pay the bill, already. She'll do the faux wallet-reach, but that doesn't mean she actually wants to reach inside. If this one's a keeper, she'll pick-up the nightcap.

Scott Mebus is the author of "Booty Nomad" and "The Big Happy." Most recently, Scott was a producer for MTV and VH1. He lives in NYC with his wife Kristina Grish. www.scottmebus.com

Kristina Grish is a Contributing Editor to Marie Claire, and writes for various magazines including Cosmopolitan and Women's Health. Her latest book is "The Joy of Text: Dating, Mating and Techno-Relating." www.kristinagrish.com

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  • 1. Posted by ft_adamss on Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 5:08 am PST

    It very intresting and educating to read theses articles, make you to lnow what ot do and what not to do..................................

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  • 2. Posted by BettyBoop on Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 11:13 am PST

    Very interesting!

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  • 3. Posted by Buzzy on Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 12:06 pm PST

    well, he is married. i wonder what 'the booty nomad' is about. the title makes me want to gouge my eyes out with a melon scooper.

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  • 4. Posted by drgoodnite2@att.net on Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 8:12 pm PST

    Interesting and VERY thought provoking; hopefully, it is good, current, valid information.

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  • 5. Posted by montgomery932 on Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 9:04 pm PST

    #3 I'd rather not date a slob who can't tuck in his shirt:-(

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  • 6. Posted by Mr. Xekutive on Sat, Feb 09, 2008, 2:19 am PST

    I think tucking your shirt has nothing to do , and it doesnt mean that their slobs(montgomery932) there are shirts that dont require taking off. Besides who cares your going to be taking it off after dinner when u end up in a hotel..WOOHOO!

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  • 7. Posted by Jackie on Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 1:56 pm PST

    Totally agree with this: #3 I'd rather not date a slob who can't tuck in his shirt:-(

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  • 8. Posted by Rebecca B on Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 1:58 pm PST

    "Don't dare tuck in your shirt?" Some shirts belong tucked in and some don't. I'd be horrified by a date who left a button-down shirt (with a hem clearly meant for tucking in) untucked!

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  • 9. Posted by dovestardancer on Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 1:58 pm PST

    ewww. a kiss on the forehead on the first date? barrfff.

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  • 10. Posted by Rebecca B on Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 2:04 pm PST

    "Don't you dare tuck in your shirt?" Some shirts belong tucked in and some don't. I'd be horrified by a date who left a button-down shirt (with a hem clearly meant for tucking in) untucked!

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  • 11. Posted by readlydia on Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 2:05 pm PST

    Put you cell phone on hold! No one wants to be interrupted by that cell phone on Valentine's Day!

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  • 12. Posted by jrmxrayteck on Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 2:06 pm PST

    Valentine's Day is a holiday celebrated on February 14. In North America and Europe, it is the traditional day on which lovers express their love for each other by sending Valentine's cards, presenting flowers, or offering confectionery. The holiday is named after two early Christian martyrs named Valentine. Valentine of Rome: a priest in Rome who suffered martyrdom and was beaten and beheaded. Valentine of Terni: He became bishop of Interamna and is said to have been killed during the persecution of Emperor Aurelian The day became associated with romantic love in the circle of Geoffrey Chaucer in High Middle Ages, when the tradition of courtly love flourished. Chaucer was a poet and sold his poems to those who could not say the words of love that so easily rolled from his quill. So to say,, the holiday was created to sell something!!

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  • 13. Posted by sugarcube7t on Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 2:07 pm PST

    Totally wonderful advice!!! The only thing I can't agree on is the shirt-tucking, but that's because my boyfriend is a cowboy and no respectable cowboy goes untucked on a date. But that's just a matter of style. :-) I hope your advice helps people have wonderful Valentine's dates or any dates!

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  • 14. Posted by lumifan4ever on Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 2:08 pm PST

    Generally....i think an untucked shirt exudes sexy. Especially if it's unbuttoned at the top and you can see an underlying shirt.

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  • 15. Posted by jrmxrayteck on Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 2:08 pm PST

    Most guys that have a gut needs to tuck the shirt in... otherwise she might think you are going to have a baby boy since you are carrying so low.

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  • 16. Posted by torriere@swbell.net on Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 2:08 pm PST

    Me too, I think it's sloppy when a man doesn't tuck his shirt in. Almost always...

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  • 17. Posted by Meghan on Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 2:09 pm PST

    tucking in your shirt is sexxy and hot!!

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  • 18. Posted by Amy on Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 2:09 pm PST

    Yeah hello pig, tuck in your shirt. This is "first date" procedures, not valentines. Valentines implies you've been with someone a while.

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  • 19. Posted by mattydavis1974 on Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 2:10 pm PST

    Play with yourself before the date. That way you last longer!

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  • 20. Posted by classic_tours@sbcglobal.net on Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 2:11 pm PST

    GOOD COMMON SENSE. GO WITH THE FLOW BECAUSE NOTHING IS PAT. IT'S ALL SMALL STUFF ANYWAY.

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  • 21. Posted by muratsen79 on Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 2:12 pm PST

    ok

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  • 22. Posted by Sami on Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 2:13 pm PST

    "Booty Nomad" is a terrific book about friendships, relationships, & being vulnerable. it has next to nothing to do with sex. i thought it was a terrific book. the suggestions (here) are good too. as someone who has trouble with insincerity & phoniness, i especially appreciate comments on such lists saying for girls & ladies to lay off the makeup, some go as far as mentioning leave your eyebrows alone too. some females have told me i should wear some but i think most makeup doesn't increase face value.

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  • 23. Posted by M. Ochoa on Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 2:23 pm PST

    Make sure that you get preped for the night you never know what could happen. Better to be ready then sorry. Happy Valentines Day. If you wake up in the morning next to someone that you don't know then you preped toooo much. Good luck

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  • 24. Posted by michael7252003 on Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 2:25 pm PST

    I can't believe so many people can be so worried about an obvious corporate scam as Valentine's Day. Totally ridiculous.

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  • 25. Posted by Arizona Author on Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 2:25 pm PST

    Although these tips were okay, I'm not sharing my meal with anyone. I'm very personal with my food. A serious eater if you will.

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  • 26. Posted by Linda H on Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 2:25 pm PST

    I have to say I am 16 years older than my husband and I am always telling him NOT to tuck in his shirt. Old men tuck in their shirts. lol

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  • 27. Posted by horseshowmom_619 on Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 2:25 pm PST

    I have to concur with you sugarcube7t, my husband is a cowboy and not once did he show up for a date and not have his shirt tucked in! It's old school, but with the hat and belt buckle...it's SEXY! ;-)

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  • 28. Posted by kemztry on Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 2:26 pm PST

    "For the love of button downs, don't you dare tuck in your shirt! " What a moronic tip! This is why EVERY GUY goes out wearing the same "uniform"... jean & untucked striped shirt. Horrible. How about a little individual style? Sometimes untucked is good, sometimes tucked is good. Rules like this one are never good!

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  • 29. Posted by anthony h on Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 2:27 pm PST

    I'm sorry but you're off the mark on # 3. A guy with Style knows the untuck shirt thing was sooooo last year..... Besides, if you're in shape, what better way to show her your bod....

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  • 30. Posted by Susan S on Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 2:27 pm PST

    Dont kiss on the forehead it feels like you are getting a kiss from one of your grandparents.

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